How Much Pee in Pan Will Prompt Museum Intervention?

by Art Fag City on March 1, 2010 · 164 comments Events + Newswire

POST BY PADDY JOHNSON

(Photo by Peter Cramer) Image via: Gothamist. Please note the video of Morty Diamond originally posted here was removed by Andres Bedoya at the request of the artist.

Why did P.S.1 Contemporary Art Center cut the power on the Brooklyn is Burning event this Saturday? Organized by Andres Bedoya and Sarvia Jasso as part of the Saturday Sessions program, the function went awry when artist Ann Liv Young began her performance by criticizing that which immediately preceded her own. Said piece was executed by Georgia Sagri, who played the role of “Jane”, a woman claiming Sagri was unable to make the event but that she, Jane, had an important (never announced) announcement to make.

What follows is a recount of the event offered by an AFC tipster.

Ann Liv Young asked the audience what they thought about it and what it meant, direction some questions at the performers themselves. Lead performer, Georgia Sagri, was visibly annoyed. Young at one point stripped down, and was lying on the floor in front of Sagri and masturbating. Sagri left the room, and later came back, yelling and giving Young the finger. Young was unperturbed, and continued her performance. Shortly thereafter PS 1 cut the power to the room and the performer had no working microphone and the lights went out.

No announcement of any kind was ever made to the audience. Young’s performance ended with her carrying around pan of her own urine. She tripped and fell, spilling some of it. The rest she poured over herself and the performance was over.

Lights and sound were still out when final performer Morty Diamond was supposed to go on. Diamond’s performance was about being transgender, and involved a naked Diamond walking back and forth over white paper on the floor, making statements followed by the audience response “yes!” Diamond needed music and the lights and power came back on briefly, but then went out again. Again, no announcement of any kind was made. Audiences tried to use their cell phones to illuminate Diamond.

There was booing and audience disapproval for PS1’s censorious actions.

Diamond persevered and the show ended at 6pm as security ushered audience members out, since the museum was closing.

PS1 Director Klaus Bisenbach was asked by someone why he cut the power. His only response was to ask “Who are you?”

A couple of things based on this account:

Thing #1. I can only assume a warning was posted at PS 1 alerting audiences to the fact that the work might not be suitable for children. It certainly was not.

Thing #2. Based on everything I’ve seen, there’s a good chance the performances were awful and at least in one instance crossed a few lines. Even if you go by the name “Demon Master”, as Ann Liv Young‘s website clearly indicates, it’s not particularly surprising to see a museum react unfavorably to harassment in the form of masturbation. That said, this is not the first time Ann Liv Young executed her urine performance. If PS 1 doesn’t support art work that involves spilled pee and getting a rise out of people, it probably wasn’t a good idea to invite Brooklyn is Burning. This distinguishes the case from stunts by artists such as Alexander Brener, who interrupted a panel on curating at the ICA in London, by shitting in his hand and offering it to panelists.

The performance better resembles a 1995 piece by Gordon Isnor at Mount Allison University’s Owens Art Gallery, in which the artist played a small tune, before introducing two partners, who shed their clothes and attempted to have sex. Although Isnor displayed no aggression towards fellow performers, he did not speak with the museum or curators about the content of his piece prior to its execution.

Thing #3. PS 1 has a fairly recent history of urine performance art. Around 2003, Wayne Hodge commanded performance artist Clifford Owens to drink his own urine in a piece in which Owens followed the commands of anyone who visited his space. Apparently the two are still friends.

Thing #4. Andres Bedoya has put a statement up on the Brooklyn Is Burning website. UPDATE: This statement does not reflect the opinions of all the participating artists or each curator.

Brooklyn Is Burning is an event that promotes artistic expression without restraint or limits. It is an event that encourages collectivity and the building of an artistic community.

PS1 acted alone in it's attempt to shut down the event and censor an artist. We reject censorship in any form and disagree with PS1's actions.

Despite the lack of power, the curators of Brooklyn Is Burning insisted that the event continue in total darkness. The full program of the event was presented from beginning to end.

RELATED: A first hand account from Bee Sting Brose.

UPDATE: From Kathryn Garcia, a participating artist in the video portion of the program:

I’d like to say on the record that Ann Liv Young’s performance was aggressively directed at Georgia Sagri in a way in which I perceived it as act of empty violence. This may be the nature of her performative “character” but in the moment it felt like a personal attack. She was unrelenting, berating Georgia and her performance. I completely stand by Georgia’s reaction, and I feel that I have to say this in her defense.

Ann Liv’s since talked about it and explained that it was just a character…She’s spoken to Sarvia about it, and I get it, but in the moment I don’t think it could have precipitated any other response from Georgia. I think that needs to be mentioned in Georgia’s defense somehow.

UPDATE FROM THE RUMOR MILL: Marina Abramowicz’s book signing occurred simultaneously at PS 1. Word of mouth has it Bisenbach didn’t want Young’s antics disrupting it, hence the power outage. If that’s the case, it’s no small irony.

STATEMENT FROM P.S. 1:

The decision by the Director of PS1 to curtail the performances near the end of Saturday Sessions was made to safeguard the audience, performers, and PS1 staff from an escalating and potentially volatile situation. The performers’ actions were not previously discussed with or planned by PS1.

  • http://crosleykook.blogspot.com tim foster

    wow, 1966 all over again

    -omf

  • http://crosleykook.blogspot.com tim foster

    wow, 1966 all over again

    -omf

  • http://stamatina.net stamatina gregory

    I was at the event, and recall the mic cutting out at one point during Georgia Sagri’s performance. It made the power cut that followed seem unintentional It never actually occurred to me (at that moment, anyway) that PS1 would actually censor an artwork – any artwork.

  • http://stamatina.net stamatina gregory

    I was at the event, and recall the mic cutting out at one point during Georgia Sagri’s performance. It made the power cut that followed seem unintentional It never actually occurred to me (at that moment, anyway) that PS1 would actually censor an artwork – any artwork.

  • RCH

    I think the Marina Abramowicz excuse is bullshit, as her signing was happening in the cafe on the 1st Floor at 3:00, and Brooklyn is Burning was on the 3rd Floor on the complete other side of the building. They didn’t cut power until 5:40 or 5:45, and there were many much louder performances well before Ann Liv Young began.

  • RCH

    I think the Marina Abramowicz excuse is bullshit, as her signing was happening in the cafe on the 1st Floor at 3:00, and Brooklyn is Burning was on the 3rd Floor on the complete other side of the building. They didn’t cut power until 5:40 or 5:45, and there were many much louder performances well before Ann Liv Young began.

  • RCH

    I think the Marina Abramowicz excuse is bullshit, as her signing was happening in the cafe on the 1st Floor at 3:00, and Brooklyn is Burning was on the 3rd Floor on the complete other side of the building. They didn’t cut power until 5:40 or 5:45, and there were many much louder performances well before Ann Liv Young began.

  • Georgia Sagri

    Thank god I wasn’t there
    Jane told me it was awful
    What a mess

    Georgia Sagri

  • Georgia Sagri

    Thank god I wasn’t there
    Jane told me it was awful
    What a mess

    Georgia Sagri

  • http://wesww.com wes w w

    Sounds like normal performance art to me. Lots of historical context for that kind of stuff. They really cut the power just for that? How boring their game is

  • http://wesww.com wes w w

    Sounds like normal performance art to me. Lots of historical context for that kind of stuff. They really cut the power just for that? How boring their game is

  • http://www.jane.us Jane

    I will be out of the office from March 1st thru March 10th.

    I will be back in the office on March 12th.

    For all inquiries please contact my assistant jane@jane.us.

    Thank you.

  • http://www.jane.us Jane

    I will be out of the office from March 1st thru March 10th.

    I will be back in the office on March 12th.

    For all inquiries please contact my assistant jane@jane.us.

    Thank you.

  • http://www.jane.us Jane

    I will be out of the office from March 1st thru March 10th.

    I will be back in the office on March 12th.

    For all inquiries please contact my assistant jane@jane.us.

    Thank you.

  • a.

    Just a note — the Brooklyn is Burning statement has been amended on their site to note that it was the opinion of only one of the curators (Andres) and doesn’t necessarily reflect the opinion of his co-curator Sarvia or the artists presented. It now reads:
    Brooklyn Is Burning is an event that promotes artistic expression without restraint or limits. It is an event that encourages collectivity and the building of an artistic community.
    PS1 acted alone in it’s attempt to shut down the event and censor an artist. I reject censorship in any form and disagree with PS1’s actions.
    Despite the lack of electric power, as co-curator of Brooklyn Is Burning, I insisted that the event continue in total darkness. The full program of the event was presented from beginning to end.
    Andres Bedoya

    Please note that the statement posted on the website for Brooklyn is Burning earlier is attributable only to me, Andres. It does not reflect the opinions of all artists or co-curator Sarvia Jasso. There are other opinions in the matter.

  • a.

    Just a note — the Brooklyn is Burning statement has been amended on their site to note that it was the opinion of only one of the curators (Andres) and doesn’t necessarily reflect the opinion of his co-curator Sarvia or the artists presented. It now reads:
    Brooklyn Is Burning is an event that promotes artistic expression without restraint or limits. It is an event that encourages collectivity and the building of an artistic community.
    PS1 acted alone in it’s attempt to shut down the event and censor an artist. I reject censorship in any form and disagree with PS1’s actions.
    Despite the lack of electric power, as co-curator of Brooklyn Is Burning, I insisted that the event continue in total darkness. The full program of the event was presented from beginning to end.
    Andres Bedoya

    Please note that the statement posted on the website for Brooklyn is Burning earlier is attributable only to me, Andres. It does not reflect the opinions of all artists or co-curator Sarvia Jasso. There are other opinions in the matter.

  • a.

    Just a note — the Brooklyn is Burning statement has been amended on their site to note that it was the opinion of only one of the curators (Andres) and doesn’t necessarily reflect the opinion of his co-curator Sarvia or the artists presented. It now reads:
    Brooklyn Is Burning is an event that promotes artistic expression without restraint or limits. It is an event that encourages collectivity and the building of an artistic community.
    PS1 acted alone in it’s attempt to shut down the event and censor an artist. I reject censorship in any form and disagree with PS1’s actions.
    Despite the lack of electric power, as co-curator of Brooklyn Is Burning, I insisted that the event continue in total darkness. The full program of the event was presented from beginning to end.
    Andres Bedoya

    Please note that the statement posted on the website for Brooklyn is Burning earlier is attributable only to me, Andres. It does not reflect the opinions of all artists or co-curator Sarvia Jasso. There are other opinions in the matter.

  • http://www.jadedoskowphotography.com Jade

    Jeez, I’m sorry I missed that! All I saw the Saturday I went was some slideshow with drums. This sounds much more fun.

  • http://www.jadedoskowphotography.com Jade

    Jeez, I’m sorry I missed that! All I saw the Saturday I went was some slideshow with drums. This sounds much more fun.

  • http://www.jadedoskowphotography.com Jade

    Jeez, I’m sorry I missed that! All I saw the Saturday I went was some slideshow with drums. This sounds much more fun.

  • S. Haasen

    Just because Ann Liv Young is a psycho doesn’t mean Georgia’s performance wasn’t awful. Keep that in mind. Frankly, both performances were wastes of time and space.

    This Jane character is quite a nice lil safety net for Georgia. Whenever her performances again reek with such thoughtlessness and unoriginality, she can just say it wasn’t her.

    As for the “censorship” issue, I don’t think there was any. I believe PS1 was just late to realize they had booked a night of utter bullshit and failed to properly shut it down. Let’s call cutting the lights a “late curatorial decision regarding quality control”. Censorship is not the same as knowing a respectable institution shouldn’t be hosting work that simply isn’t respectable.

  • S. Haasen

    Just because Ann Liv Young is a psycho doesn’t mean Georgia’s performance wasn’t awful. Keep that in mind. Frankly, both performances were wastes of time and space.

    This Jane character is quite a nice lil safety net for Georgia. Whenever her performances again reek with such thoughtlessness and unoriginality, she can just say it wasn’t her.

    As for the “censorship” issue, I don’t think there was any. I believe PS1 was just late to realize they had booked a night of utter bullshit and failed to properly shut it down. Let’s call cutting the lights a “late curatorial decision regarding quality control”. Censorship is not the same as knowing a respectable institution shouldn’t be hosting work that simply isn’t respectable.

  • anonymous

    Georgia wasn’t there–Jane was.

  • anonymous

    Georgia wasn’t there–Jane was.

  • anonymous

    Georgia wasn’t there–Jane was.

  • anonymous

    Georgia wasn’t there–Jane was.

  • Vanessa Harlem

    Is this the Andres Beyoda that they are talking about he is kina cute.

    http://www.myspace.com/andresb07

    Holla!

  • Vanessa Harlem

    Is this the Andres Beyoda that they are talking about he is kina cute.

    http://www.myspace.com/andresb07

    Holla!

  • Vanessa Harlem

    Is this the Andres Beyoda that they are talking about he is kina cute.

    http://www.myspace.com/andresb07

    Holla!

  • Matthew

    9:41pm and the video is already down… dang.

  • Matthew

    9:41pm and the video is already down… dang.

  • Matthew

    9:41pm and the video is already down… dang.

  • Matthew

    9:41pm and the video is already down… dang.

  • Matthew

    9:41pm and the video is already down… dang.

  • Frank O’Hara

    Dear Jane,

    You are fired or in other words you’re “burning”
    I’m glad you charged Ann, but you’re still fired.
    You see, she was actually on our team.

    Frank

  • Frank O’Hara

    Dear Jane,

    You are fired or in other words you’re “burning”
    I’m glad you charged Ann, but you’re still fired.
    You see, she was actually on our team.

    Frank

  • Frank O’Hara

    Dear Jane,

    You are fired or in other words you’re “burning”
    I’m glad you charged Ann, but you’re still fired.
    You see, she was actually on our team.

    Frank

  • Frank O’Hara

    Dear Jane,

    You are fired or in other words you’re “burning”
    I’m glad you charged Ann, but you’re still fired.
    You see, she was actually on our team.

    Frank

  • S. Haasen

    Actually, this entire happening was part of a MASSIVE piece which I I orchestrated.

    I constructed a dense layered performance where I had an actual talented performance artist not performing downstairs (under the guise of a book signing) while two “performance artists” “performed” upstairs. Live video of both fed to two flatscreens sandwiched together facing eachother. Can you feel the densely layered density of the dense layers???

    thanks to Klaus, Marina, Ulay, Kanye, Uckfay, and of course Paddy.

  • S. Haasen

    Actually, this entire happening was part of a MASSIVE piece which I I orchestrated.

    I constructed a dense layered performance where I had an actual talented performance artist not performing downstairs (under the guise of a book signing) while two “performance artists” “performed” upstairs. Live video of both fed to two flatscreens sandwiched together facing eachother. Can you feel the densely layered density of the dense layers???

    thanks to Klaus, Marina, Ulay, Kanye, Uckfay, and of course Paddy.

  • S. Haasen

    Actually, this entire happening was part of a MASSIVE piece which I I orchestrated.

    I constructed a dense layered performance where I had an actual talented performance artist not performing downstairs (under the guise of a book signing) while two “performance artists” “performed” upstairs. Live video of both fed to two flatscreens sandwiched together facing eachother. Can you feel the densely layered density of the dense layers???

    thanks to Klaus, Marina, Ulay, Kanye, Uckfay, and of course Paddy.

  • Huzo Lumnst

    ProposalnnA massive slumber party.nnYours Truly Huzo

  • Huzo Lumnst

    Proposal\n\nA massive slumber party.\n\nYours Truly Huzo

  • Sophie Rommel

    When dense layered performances failnStrip. Strip as fast as you cannnxnSophie

  • Sophie Rommel

    When dense layered performances fail\nStrip. Strip as fast as you can\n\nx\nSophie

  • http://www.coagula.com Mat Gleason

    Whatever happened to turn the other cheek?

  • http://www.coagula.com Mat Gleason

    Whatever happened to turn the other cheek?

  • zack

    I can think of only one possible response to thisnnhttp://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1200nnAct Two. Still Life.nnDavid Sedaris recounts his shameful career as a performance artist.

  • zack

    I can think of only one possible response to this\n\nhttp://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1200\n\nAct Two. Still Life.\n\nDavid Sedaris recounts his shameful career as a performance artist.

  • Gina

    For the record, I was studying things pretty closely cause I was FASCINATED. Liv Ann’s character (a southern televangelist/real housewife/SNL character/Snooki/talk show host and guest) asked the audience about performance art as though she didn’t understand it. In the process cracking a joke something like, ‘where’s Georgia? Well, honey, I really don’t care…’ There was laughter from the audience and you could see Geirgia and her group of performers were pissed. 

    Liv Ann’s character then confronted a heckler in the audience in a way that was straight outta Jersey Shore (!) and went on to ask the audience about sea world and pee in a bowl. At some point she saw that Georgia was angrily flicking her off with both hands and Liv Ann’s character made some comment like, ‘honey, I like to express myself too.’ Took off all of her clothes, got down on the floor and masturbated in Georgia’s face. Georgia and her crew took off angrily and returned a couple minutes later screaming what sounded like, ‘Fuck you, you’re easy!!’ and stormed out again. Liv Ann’a character put her clothes back on, remaining in character, continuing the performance and shortly thereafter, the lights and power went out. Liv Ann kept performing, circling the stage, talking to the audience, ‘I hope that little European girl don’t come after me, I got a kid!!’

    Both performances were good, but the best performance was the collision of the two and the interruption by the museum. I’ve never seen real anger displayed like that in an art context. On a reality show? Yes. But not in a museum. 

    It also showed what kind of museum PS1 is. Bruce Nauman videos downstairs, Abromovic in the building. Important artists, but not contemporary. 

    Finally, I found the anger and disgust directed at this outlandish female character and the involvement of artist ego really interesting. People are always talking about bringing the outide/everday world into the museum (the urinal and all) but can you handle a non-deleted scene reality show style rumble? 

  • Gina

    For the record, I was studying things pretty closely cause I was FASCINATED. Liv Ann’s character (a southern televangelist/real housewife/SNL character/Snooki/talk show host and guest) asked the audience about performance art as though she didn’t understand it. In the process cracking a joke something like, ‘where’s Georgia? Well, honey, I really don’t care…’ There was laughter from the audience and you could see Geirgia and her group of performers were pissed. 

    Liv Ann’s character then confronted a heckler in the audience in a way that was straight outta Jersey Shore (!) and went on to ask the audience about sea world and pee in a bowl. At some point she saw that Georgia was angrily flicking her off with both hands and Liv Ann’s character made some comment like, ‘honey, I like to express myself too.’ Took off all of her clothes, got down on the floor and masturbated in Georgia’s face. Georgia and her crew took off angrily and returned a couple minutes later screaming what sounded like, ‘Fuck you, you’re easy!!’ and stormed out again. Liv Ann’a character put her clothes back on, remaining in character, continuing the performance and shortly thereafter, the lights and power went out. Liv Ann kept performing, circling the stage, talking to the audience, ‘I hope that little European girl don’t come after me, I got a kid!!’

    Both performances were good, but the best performance was the collision of the two and the interruption by the museum. I’ve never seen real anger displayed like that in an art context. On a reality show? Yes. But not in a museum. 

    It also showed what kind of museum PS1 is. Bruce Nauman videos downstairs, Abromovic in the building. Important artists, but not contemporary. 

    Finally, I found the anger and disgust directed at this outlandish female character and the involvement of artist ego really interesting. People are always talking about bringing the outide/everday world into the museum (the urinal and all) but can you handle a non-deleted scene reality show style rumble? 

  • Gina

    For the record, I was studying things pretty closely cause I was FASCINATED. Liv Ann’s character (a southern televangelist/real housewife/SNL character/Snooki/talk show host and guest) asked the audience about performance art as though she didn’t understand it. In the process cracking a joke something like, ‘where’s Georgia? Well, honey, I really don’t care…’ There was laughter from the audience and you could see Geirgia and her group of performers were pissed. 

    Liv Ann’s character then confronted a heckler in the audience in a way that was straight outta Jersey Shore (!) and went on to ask the audience about sea world and pee in a bowl. At some point she saw that Georgia was angrily flicking her off with both hands and Liv Ann’s character made some comment like, ‘honey, I like to express myself too.’ Took off all of her clothes, got down on the floor and masturbated in Georgia’s face. Georgia and her crew took off angrily and returned a couple minutes later screaming what sounded like, ‘Fuck you, you’re easy!!’ and stormed out again. Liv Ann’a character put her clothes back on, remaining in character, continuing the performance and shortly thereafter, the lights and power went out. Liv Ann kept performing, circling the stage, talking to the audience, ‘I hope that little European girl don’t come after me, I got a kid!!’

    Both performances were good, but the best performance was the collision of the two and the interruption by the museum. I’ve never seen real anger displayed like that in an art context. On a reality show? Yes. But not in a museum. 

    It also showed what kind of museum PS1 is. Bruce Nauman videos downstairs, Abromovic in the building. Important artists, but not contemporary. 

    Finally, I found the anger and disgust directed at this outlandish female character and the involvement of artist ego really interesting. People are always talking about bringing the outide/everday world into the museum (the urinal and all) but can you handle a non-deleted scene reality show style rumble? 

  • Gina

    For the record, I was studying things pretty closely cause I was FASCINATED. Liv Ann’s character (a southern televangelist/real housewife/SNL character/Snooki/talk show host and guest) asked the audience about performance art as though she didn’t understand it. In the process cracking a joke something like, ‘where’s Georgia? Well, honey, I really don’t care…’ There was laughter from the audience and you could see Geirgia and her group of performers were pissed. 

    Liv Ann’s character then confronted a heckler in the audience in a way that was straight outta Jersey Shore (!) and went on to ask the audience about sea world and pee in a bowl. At some point she saw that Georgia was angrily flicking her off with both hands and Liv Ann’s character made some comment like, ‘honey, I like to express myself too.’ Took off all of her clothes, got down on the floor and masturbated in Georgia’s face. Georgia and her crew took off angrily and returned a couple minutes later screaming what sounded like, ‘Fuck you, you’re easy!!’ and stormed out again. Liv Ann’a character put her clothes back on, remaining in character, continuing the performance and shortly thereafter, the lights and power went out. Liv Ann kept performing, circling the stage, talking to the audience, ‘I hope that little European girl don’t come after me, I got a kid!!’

    Both performances were good, but the best performance was the collision of the two and the interruption by the museum. I’ve never seen real anger displayed like that in an art context. On a reality show? Yes. But not in a museum. 

    It also showed what kind of museum PS1 is. Bruce Nauman videos downstairs, Abromovic in the building. Important artists, but not contemporary. 

    Finally, I found the anger and disgust directed at this outlandish female character and the involvement of artist ego really interesting. People are always talking about bringing the outide/everday world into the museum (the urinal and all) but can you handle a non-deleted scene reality show style rumble? 

  • http://youtube.com/andrecallot Andre

    For those of you who were present, could you please help me figure out what was so terrible about Young’s performance?

    Was it bad because it was sincerely ambitious and it failed to achieve what it was after, or was it bad because it was successfully ironic and cynical?

    From these comments, I’m getting the impression that it was bad because it was mean and in poor taste. Which is a shame, because some of my favorite art is mean and in poor taste.

  • http://youtube.com/andrecallot Andre

    For those of you who were present, could you please help me figure out what was so terrible about Young’s performance?

    Was it bad because it was sincerely ambitious and it failed to achieve what it was after, or was it bad because it was successfully ironic and cynical?

    From these comments, I’m getting the impression that it was bad because it was mean and in poor taste. Which is a shame, because some of my favorite art is mean and in poor taste.

  • http://youtube.com/andrecallot Andre

    For those of you who were present, could you please help me figure out what was so terrible about Young’s performance?

    Was it bad because it was sincerely ambitious and it failed to achieve what it was after, or was it bad because it was successfully ironic and cynical?

    From these comments, I’m getting the impression that it was bad because it was mean and in poor taste. Which is a shame, because some of my favorite art is mean and in poor taste.

  • http://youtube.com/andrecallot Andre

    For those of you who were present, could you please help me figure out what was so terrible about Young’s performance?

    Was it bad because it was sincerely ambitious and it failed to achieve what it was after, or was it bad because it was successfully ironic and cynical?

    From these comments, I’m getting the impression that it was bad because it was mean and in poor taste. Which is a shame, because some of my favorite art is mean and in poor taste.

  • alex morrison

    Ha! Haven’t heard the name Gordon Isnor in quite
    some time!

  • alex morrison

    Ha! Haven’t heard the name Gordon Isnor in quite
    some time!

  • alex morrison

    Ha! Haven’t heard the name Gordon Isnor in quite
    some time!

  • alex morrison

    Ha! Haven’t heard the name Gordon Isnor in quite
    some time!

  • marina fokidis

    the argument sounds funny
    both performers are copycats, though!!!!!! Not even interesting “covers”
    Enough with younger artists!!!! and curators. Is it not your responsibility to protect the audience from seeing copies of copies of bad quality?
    Elke Krystufek, a great artist that I am sure you know, masturbated and urinated in several performances as a comment to gender issues and also a reaction to Viennese Actionism.
    I have been also present at a performance in National Museum of Contemporary Art in Athens, where Miltos Manetas himself was anouncing that Miltos Manetas the artists was not there….
    And he repeated this performance a couple of time in several places!!!!
    So please not again!!!!! Someone has to stop these awful remakes, in both cases
    Too much blood for nothing!!!!!

  • marina fokidis

    the argument sounds funny
    both performers are copycats, though!!!!!! Not even interesting “covers”
    Enough with younger artists!!!! and curators. Is it not your responsibility to protect the audience from seeing copies of copies of bad quality?
    Elke Krystufek, a great artist that I am sure you know, masturbated and urinated in several performances as a comment to gender issues and also a reaction to Viennese Actionism.
    I have been also present at a performance in National Museum of Contemporary Art in Athens, where Miltos Manetas himself was anouncing that Miltos Manetas the artists was not there….
    And he repeated this performance a couple of time in several places!!!!
    So please not again!!!!! Someone has to stop these awful remakes, in both cases
    Too much blood for nothing!!!!!

  • marina fokidis

    the argument sounds funny
    both performers are copycats, though!!!!!! Not even interesting “covers”
    Enough with younger artists!!!! and curators. Is it not your responsibility to protect the audience from seeing copies of copies of bad quality?
    Elke Krystufek, a great artist that I am sure you know, masturbated and urinated in several performances as a comment to gender issues and also a reaction to Viennese Actionism.
    I have been also present at a performance in National Museum of Contemporary Art in Athens, where Miltos Manetas himself was anouncing that Miltos Manetas the artists was not there….
    And he repeated this performance a couple of time in several places!!!!
    So please not again!!!!! Someone has to stop these awful remakes, in both cases
    Too much blood for nothing!!!!!

  • marina fokidis

    the argument sounds funny
    both performers are copycats, though!!!!!! Not even interesting “covers”
    Enough with younger artists!!!! and curators. Is it not your responsibility to protect the audience from seeing copies of copies of bad quality?
    Elke Krystufek, a great artist that I am sure you know, masturbated and urinated in several performances as a comment to gender issues and also a reaction to Viennese Actionism.
    I have been also present at a performance in National Museum of Contemporary Art in Athens, where Miltos Manetas himself was anouncing that Miltos Manetas the artists was not there….
    And he repeated this performance a couple of time in several places!!!!
    So please not again!!!!! Someone has to stop these awful remakes, in both cases
    Too much blood for nothing!!!!!

  • marina fokidis

    ps

    http://www.glu-sg.si/veryprivate/elkekrystufek.htm

    for elke krystufec performance sixteen years ago,

    unfortunately could not find a link for Miltos Manetas

  • marina fokidis

    ps

    http://www.glu-sg.si/veryprivate/elkekrystufek.htm

    for elke krystufec performance sixteen years ago,

    unfortunately could not find a link for Miltos Manetas

  • http://mortydiamond.com Morty Diamond

    The way I see the situation is that PS1 was reacting to the escalating fight between Ann Liv and Georgia Sagri. If they (PS1) were trying to make the space safe for the audience they did the exact opposite! Many of my friends in attendance said they felt fine up until the lights went out. Being in the dark after this strange but thought provoking interaction between Ann Liv and Georgia made many people feel scared and disoriented. Definitely not safe. No security came to escort people out and nobody said a word about what the hell was going on. I decided to perform in the dark only after I got such a warm response from the audience, letting me know they were still with me and wanted to see me perform. Dozens of cell phones illuminated me as I began to perform. A truly awe inspiring moment for me.
    To be honest, I was nervous of someone attacking me in the darkness, be it a PS1 person,security guard, or spectator. In the end, it all worked out and the audience left without any major incidences occurring. My one statement about what Ann Liv Young was doing on stage that caused all this ruckus: Ann Liv is provocative and confrontational. It only takes FIVE minutes of googling her name to figure this out. She was invited to do her performance and she executed it the way she wanted to. Who can blame her? She was INVITED. Doesn’t matter if I agree or disagree with her work. When you invite a performer to perform please STUDY their work first.

  • http://mortydiamond.com Morty Diamond

    The way I see the situation is that PS1 was reacting to the escalating fight between Ann Liv and Georgia Sagri. If they (PS1) were trying to make the space safe for the audience they did the exact opposite! Many of my friends in attendance said they felt fine up until the lights went out. Being in the dark after this strange but thought provoking interaction between Ann Liv and Georgia made many people feel scared and disoriented. Definitely not safe. No security came to escort people out and nobody said a word about what the hell was going on. I decided to perform in the dark only after I got such a warm response from the audience, letting me know they were still with me and wanted to see me perform. Dozens of cell phones illuminated me as I began to perform. A truly awe inspiring moment for me.
    To be honest, I was nervous of someone attacking me in the darkness, be it a PS1 person,security guard, or spectator. In the end, it all worked out and the audience left without any major incidences occurring. My one statement about what Ann Liv Young was doing on stage that caused all this ruckus: Ann Liv is provocative and confrontational. It only takes FIVE minutes of googling her name to figure this out. She was invited to do her performance and she executed it the way she wanted to. Who can blame her? She was INVITED. Doesn’t matter if I agree or disagree with her work. When you invite a performer to perform please STUDY their work first.

  • http://mortydiamond.com Morty Diamond

    The way I see the situation is that PS1 was reacting to the escalating fight between Ann Liv and Georgia Sagri. If they (PS1) were trying to make the space safe for the audience they did the exact opposite! Many of my friends in attendance said they felt fine up until the lights went out. Being in the dark after this strange but thought provoking interaction between Ann Liv and Georgia made many people feel scared and disoriented. Definitely not safe. No security came to escort people out and nobody said a word about what the hell was going on. I decided to perform in the dark only after I got such a warm response from the audience, letting me know they were still with me and wanted to see me perform. Dozens of cell phones illuminated me as I began to perform. A truly awe inspiring moment for me.
    To be honest, I was nervous of someone attacking me in the darkness, be it a PS1 person,security guard, or spectator. In the end, it all worked out and the audience left without any major incidences occurring. My one statement about what Ann Liv Young was doing on stage that caused all this ruckus: Ann Liv is provocative and confrontational. It only takes FIVE minutes of googling her name to figure this out. She was invited to do her performance and she executed it the way she wanted to. Who can blame her? She was INVITED. Doesn’t matter if I agree or disagree with her work. When you invite a performer to perform please STUDY their work first.

  • http://www.artfagcity.com Art Fag City

    @Alex Morrison I attended Gordon Isnor’s performance. I was in my second year of undergrad at the time.

  • http://www.artfagcity.com Art Fag City

    @Alex Morrison I attended Gordon Isnor’s performance. I was in my second year of undergrad at the time.

  • http://www.artfagcity.com Art Fag City

    @Alex Morrison I attended Gordon Isnor’s performance. I was in my second year of undergrad at the time.

  • http://www.ethanham.com Ethan

    Marina,

    Unless you were there, I’d be careful about denouncing the performances as copycat… Just because a particular element of an artwork has been done before doesn’t mean the artwork doesn’t have originality in some other aspect.

    Also, I’m not sure that I buy that lack of originality automatically equates to lack of worthwhileness (or vice versa).

  • http://www.ethanham.com Ethan

    Marina,

    Unless you were there, I’d be careful about denouncing the performances as copycat… Just because a particular element of an artwork has been done before doesn’t mean the artwork doesn’t have originality in some other aspect.

    Also, I’m not sure that I buy that lack of originality automatically equates to lack of worthwhileness (or vice versa).

  • http://www.ethanham.com Ethan

    Marina,

    Unless you were there, I’d be careful about denouncing the performances as copycat… Just because a particular element of an artwork has been done before doesn’t mean the artwork doesn’t have originality in some other aspect.

    Also, I’m not sure that I buy that lack of originality automatically equates to lack of worthwhileness (or vice versa).

  • http://www.artfagcity.com Art Fag City

    WNYC has a piece here which quotes ArtForum’s David Velasco who was also in attendance.

    http://culture.wnyc.org/articles/performance-club/2010/mar/02/ps1-responds-censorship-claims/

  • http://www.artfagcity.com Art Fag City

    WNYC has a piece here which quotes ArtForum’s David Velasco who was also in attendance.

    http://culture.wnyc.org/articles/performance-club/2010/mar/02/ps1-responds-censorship-claims/

  • http://www.artfagcity.com Art Fag City

    WNYC has a piece here which quotes ArtForum’s David Velasco who was also in attendance.

    http://culture.wnyc.org/articles/performance-club/2010/mar/02/ps1-responds-censorship-claims/

  • marina fokidis

    Ethan.
    point granted and i was not there you are right.

    Now originality is not exactly what i strive for but when things are being done and redone again with such proximity in time and gesture, and when it happens to be two out of two performances , it seems just boring…And it happens a lot those days. So what i meant is that it is funny to hear all these about rage and censorship and no one to discuss about boredom over unstoppably repeated gestures. So to this I would agree with S. Haasen, I wish the censorship issue was a late curatorial reaction …Not that this fact saves their case though
    But once more you are right , I was not there to feel vibe! If i were i would not maybe been yawning bnow
    thanx

  • marina fokidis

    Ethan.
    point granted and i was not there you are right.

    Now originality is not exactly what i strive for but when things are being done and redone again with such proximity in time and gesture, and when it happens to be two out of two performances , it seems just boring…And it happens a lot those days. So what i meant is that it is funny to hear all these about rage and censorship and no one to discuss about boredom over unstoppably repeated gestures. So to this I would agree with S. Haasen, I wish the censorship issue was a late curatorial reaction …Not that this fact saves their case though
    But once more you are right , I was not there to feel vibe! If i were i would not maybe been yawning bnow
    thanx

  • marina fokidis

    Ethan.
    point granted and i was not there you are right.

    Now originality is not exactly what i strive for but when things are being done and redone again with such proximity in time and gesture, and when it happens to be two out of two performances , it seems just boring…And it happens a lot those days. So what i meant is that it is funny to hear all these about rage and censorship and no one to discuss about boredom over unstoppably repeated gestures. So to this I would agree with S. Haasen, I wish the censorship issue was a late curatorial reaction …Not that this fact saves their case though
    But once more you are right , I was not there to feel vibe! If i were i would not maybe been yawning bnow
    thanx

  • marina fokidis

    Ethan.
    point granted and i was not there you are right.

    Now originality is not exactly what i strive for but when things are being done and redone again with such proximity in time and gesture, and when it happens to be two out of two performances , it seems just boring…And it happens a lot those days. So what i meant is that it is funny to hear all these about rage and censorship and no one to discuss about boredom over unstoppably repeated gestures. So to this I would agree with S. Haasen, I wish the censorship issue was a late curatorial reaction …Not that this fact saves their case though
    But once more you are right , I was not there to feel vibe! If i were i would not maybe been yawning bnow
    thanx

  • Georgia Sagri

    Dear Marina,
    There are a lot you don’t know about the whole event and there is a lot of information that no one addressed in this blog.
    Also, excuse us for not being interesting enough for you but there were quite a lot of people at the event that maybe think the opposite.
    For the record..I didn’t do the performance by myself but with two other women…and we weren’t saying “Georgia the artist is not here” but “Georgia is not here”…That perhaps makes a small difference. There was also a live recording and various sound feedbacks, echoes of the sentences and there were movements of each others gestures during the performance.. gestures that seem from your statement you might not understand because what we were trying there had to do with support of one woman to another, creation of a group, connections and repetitions of each other movements.
    After our performance a female character tried to abuse me.. and i don’t care what her name was. I defended myself and I reacted to that because it was a very rude insult by her directly at me. It was a very cheap shot.
    Excuses like ‘i didn’t want to hurt Georgia..i was in a character’ from the woman artist that was responsible of that female character are unacceptable…and i don’t believe her.
    So this is what we’ve got at BIB the past Saturday.
    After all the struggles for gender equality and sexual freedom, women fight each other, and trash becomes the center of our conversations. As Jane or as Georgia or in any kind of future act I am and I will continue to be against power’s abuse, in or out of the context, in any kind of form that might apply.

  • Georgia Sagri

    Dear Marina,
    There are a lot you don’t know about the whole event and there is a lot of information that no one addressed in this blog.
    Also, excuse us for not being interesting enough for you but there were quite a lot of people at the event that maybe think the opposite.
    For the record..I didn’t do the performance by myself but with two other women…and we weren’t saying “Georgia the artist is not here” but “Georgia is not here”…That perhaps makes a small difference. There was also a live recording and various sound feedbacks, echoes of the sentences and there were movements of each others gestures during the performance.. gestures that seem from your statement you might not understand because what we were trying there had to do with support of one woman to another, creation of a group, connections and repetitions of each other movements.
    After our performance a female character tried to abuse me.. and i don’t care what her name was. I defended myself and I reacted to that because it was a very rude insult by her directly at me. It was a very cheap shot.
    Excuses like ‘i didn’t want to hurt Georgia..i was in a character’ from the woman artist that was responsible of that female character are unacceptable…and i don’t believe her.
    So this is what we’ve got at BIB the past Saturday.
    After all the struggles for gender equality and sexual freedom, women fight each other, and trash becomes the center of our conversations. As Jane or as Georgia or in any kind of future act I am and I will continue to be against power’s abuse, in or out of the context, in any kind of form that might apply.

  • Georgia Sagri

    Dear Marina,
    There are a lot you don’t know about the whole event and there is a lot of information that no one addressed in this blog.
    Also, excuse us for not being interesting enough for you but there were quite a lot of people at the event that maybe think the opposite.
    For the record..I didn’t do the performance by myself but with two other women…and we weren’t saying “Georgia the artist is not here” but “Georgia is not here”…That perhaps makes a small difference. There was also a live recording and various sound feedbacks, echoes of the sentences and there were movements of each others gestures during the performance.. gestures that seem from your statement you might not understand because what we were trying there had to do with support of one woman to another, creation of a group, connections and repetitions of each other movements.
    After our performance a female character tried to abuse me.. and i don’t care what her name was. I defended myself and I reacted to that because it was a very rude insult by her directly at me. It was a very cheap shot.
    Excuses like ‘i didn’t want to hurt Georgia..i was in a character’ from the woman artist that was responsible of that female character are unacceptable…and i don’t believe her.
    So this is what we’ve got at BIB the past Saturday.
    After all the struggles for gender equality and sexual freedom, women fight each other, and trash becomes the center of our conversations. As Jane or as Georgia or in any kind of future act I am and I will continue to be against power’s abuse, in or out of the context, in any kind of form that might apply.

  • Georgia Sagri

    Dear Marina,
    There are a lot you don’t know about the whole event and there is a lot of information that no one addressed in this blog.
    Also, excuse us for not being interesting enough for you but there were quite a lot of people at the event that maybe think the opposite.
    For the record..I didn’t do the performance by myself but with two other women…and we weren’t saying “Georgia the artist is not here” but “Georgia is not here”…That perhaps makes a small difference. There was also a live recording and various sound feedbacks, echoes of the sentences and there were movements of each others gestures during the performance.. gestures that seem from your statement you might not understand because what we were trying there had to do with support of one woman to another, creation of a group, connections and repetitions of each other movements.
    After our performance a female character tried to abuse me.. and i don’t care what her name was. I defended myself and I reacted to that because it was a very rude insult by her directly at me. It was a very cheap shot.
    Excuses like ‘i didn’t want to hurt Georgia..i was in a character’ from the woman artist that was responsible of that female character are unacceptable…and i don’t believe her.
    So this is what we’ve got at BIB the past Saturday.
    After all the struggles for gender equality and sexual freedom, women fight each other, and trash becomes the center of our conversations. As Jane or as Georgia or in any kind of future act I am and I will continue to be against power’s abuse, in or out of the context, in any kind of form that might apply.

  • a.

    Any museum or public institution has a responsibility to protect its visitors; like it or not, safety trumps artistic expression. The situation on Saturday was totally out of control. As Michael Bilsborough put it on his SVA blog:

    “Even if Klaus issued the cut-off directive, it might be unfair to wolf-cry censorship. Censorship entails a greater degree of deliberation for the purpose of personal or political gain. If an aggressive performer is bleeding, flinging urine, and staggering around, maybe a prudent adult should hit the Panic Button. Intervening into the escalating altercation might have prevented a catfight or worse.” (post is here: http://www.schoolofvisualarts.edu/ce/blog/?p=1201, and offers a pretty thorough round up of events)

    Ultimately, in a public institution, the safety of visitors, performers, staff, etc. necessarily trumps artistic expression. It’s easy for Ann to now claim that she was just in character, that she had no intention of getting in a violent altercation, etc., but as soon as the fight between Georgia and Ann began, the safety of everyone around (including the performers themselves) has to be taken into consideration — and, at the time, it seemed pretty volatile to me.

    I also think that Morty’s excuse that PS1 should have known what they were getting into by allowing Ann to perform is not entirely fair. Being invited to perform, to share your work with an audience, is a privilege. There is an implicit agreement between the performer and the museum/gallery/whatever that they will mutually respect one another. When a museum gives a performer an audience, they’re placing trust in that performer to act responsibly — this goes beyond a matter of taste. Flinging around urine, stripping naked, insulting a fellow artist (perhaps the greatest breach of this trust of all…), and provoking a fight all show Young’s lack of respect for PS1, her audience, and, for that matter, the Brooklyn is Burning curators who invited her and presumably vouched for her.

    I also think it’s insulting for Young and some of her supporters to say that the only reason people react negatively to her work is because she’s an aggressive female. I think it’s safe to say that if a male performer had acted in the same way, the performance would have also been shut down. Moreover, had PS1 allowed a male performer to stand up and insult a female artist publicly (let alone provoke or engage in a confrontation with her) without comment, I’m sure there would have been an outcry. I wasn’t uncomfortable with and offended by Ann’s performance because there was a display of female aggression, but because there was a total lack of respect for everyone else in the room, Georgia especially.

  • a.

    Any museum or public institution has a responsibility to protect its visitors; like it or not, safety trumps artistic expression. The situation on Saturday was totally out of control. As Michael Bilsborough put it on his SVA blog:

    “Even if Klaus issued the cut-off directive, it might be unfair to wolf-cry censorship. Censorship entails a greater degree of deliberation for the purpose of personal or political gain. If an aggressive performer is bleeding, flinging urine, and staggering around, maybe a prudent adult should hit the Panic Button. Intervening into the escalating altercation might have prevented a catfight or worse.” (post is here: http://www.schoolofvisualarts.edu/ce/blog/?p=1201, and offers a pretty thorough round up of events)

    Ultimately, in a public institution, the safety of visitors, performers, staff, etc. necessarily trumps artistic expression. It’s easy for Ann to now claim that she was just in character, that she had no intention of getting in a violent altercation, etc., but as soon as the fight between Georgia and Ann began, the safety of everyone around (including the performers themselves) has to be taken into consideration — and, at the time, it seemed pretty volatile to me.

    I also think that Morty’s excuse that PS1 should have known what they were getting into by allowing Ann to perform is not entirely fair. Being invited to perform, to share your work with an audience, is a privilege. There is an implicit agreement between the performer and the museum/gallery/whatever that they will mutually respect one another. When a museum gives a performer an audience, they’re placing trust in that performer to act responsibly — this goes beyond a matter of taste. Flinging around urine, stripping naked, insulting a fellow artist (perhaps the greatest breach of this trust of all…), and provoking a fight all show Young’s lack of respect for PS1, her audience, and, for that matter, the Brooklyn is Burning curators who invited her and presumably vouched for her.

    I also think it’s insulting for Young and some of her supporters to say that the only reason people react negatively to her work is because she’s an aggressive female. I think it’s safe to say that if a male performer had acted in the same way, the performance would have also been shut down. Moreover, had PS1 allowed a male performer to stand up and insult a female artist publicly (let alone provoke or engage in a confrontation with her) without comment, I’m sure there would have been an outcry. I wasn’t uncomfortable with and offended by Ann’s performance because there was a display of female aggression, but because there was a total lack of respect for everyone else in the room, Georgia especially.

    • Edward Z Rosenthal, Collingswo

      What a BLOW HARD! SO full of BS. Your uptight kinda thinking is destroying the world and everything worthwhile on it. “Mutually respect each other” now means no longer trying to test the bounds, the edges, the margins of culture? We are now all to conform to – to obey – the naturally perfect bounds of behavior that polite society has consciously agreed upon? I didn’t agree to these arbitrary, self deluding, tedious, boring limits. Did you? So why denigrate anyone else’s attempts to test the limits, even if it’s clumsily or disturbingly done? If you had felt nothing, experienced zero sensation, registered no response in the face of the two women’s antagonistic “performance”, that would be interesting, worth talking about. Numbness and ambivalence are curious conditions, but your tedious self righteous indignation is adorably, pathetically dull. Dry up.

    • Edward Z Rosenthal, Collingswo

      What a BLOW HARD! SO full of BS. Your uptight kinda thinking is destroying the world and everything worthwhile on it. “Mutually respect each other” now means no longer trying to test the bounds, the edges, the margins of culture? We are now all to conform to – to obey – the naturally perfect bounds of behavior that polite society has consciously agreed upon? I didn’t agree to these arbitrary, self deluding, tedious, boring limits. Did you? So why denigrate anyone else’s attempts to test the limits, even if it’s clumsily or disturbingly done? If you had felt nothing, experienced zero sensation, registered no response in the face of the two women’s antagonistic “performance”, that would be interesting, worth talking about. Numbness and ambivalence are curious conditions, but your tedious self righteous indignation is adorably, pathetically dull. Dry up.

  • a.

    Any museum or public institution has a responsibility to protect its visitors; like it or not, safety trumps artistic expression. The situation on Saturday was totally out of control. As Michael Bilsborough put it on his SVA blog:

    “Even if Klaus issued the cut-off directive, it might be unfair to wolf-cry censorship. Censorship entails a greater degree of deliberation for the purpose of personal or political gain. If an aggressive performer is bleeding, flinging urine, and staggering around, maybe a prudent adult should hit the Panic Button. Intervening into the escalating altercation might have prevented a catfight or worse.” (post is here: http://www.schoolofvisualarts.edu/ce/blog/?p=1201, and offers a pretty thorough round up of events)

    Ultimately, in a public institution, the safety of visitors, performers, staff, etc. necessarily trumps artistic expression. It’s easy for Ann to now claim that she was just in character, that she had no intention of getting in a violent altercation, etc., but as soon as the fight between Georgia and Ann began, the safety of everyone around (including the performers themselves) has to be taken into consideration — and, at the time, it seemed pretty volatile to me.

    I also think that Morty’s excuse that PS1 should have known what they were getting into by allowing Ann to perform is not entirely fair. Being invited to perform, to share your work with an audience, is a privilege. There is an implicit agreement between the performer and the museum/gallery/whatever that they will mutually respect one another. When a museum gives a performer an audience, they’re placing trust in that performer to act responsibly — this goes beyond a matter of taste. Flinging around urine, stripping naked, insulting a fellow artist (perhaps the greatest breach of this trust of all…), and provoking a fight all show Young’s lack of respect for PS1, her audience, and, for that matter, the Brooklyn is Burning curators who invited her and presumably vouched for her.

    I also think it’s insulting for Young and some of her supporters to say that the only reason people react negatively to her work is because she’s an aggressive female. I think it’s safe to say that if a male performer had acted in the same way, the performance would have also been shut down. Moreover, had PS1 allowed a male performer to stand up and insult a female artist publicly (let alone provoke or engage in a confrontation with her) without comment, I’m sure there would have been an outcry. I wasn’t uncomfortable with and offended by Ann’s performance because there was a display of female aggression, but because there was a total lack of respect for everyone else in the room, Georgia especially.

  • a.

    Any museum or public institution has a responsibility to protect its visitors; like it or not, safety trumps artistic expression. The situation on Saturday was totally out of control. As Michael Bilsborough put it on his SVA blog:

    “Even if Klaus issued the cut-off directive, it might be unfair to wolf-cry censorship. Censorship entails a greater degree of deliberation for the purpose of personal or political gain. If an aggressive performer is bleeding, flinging urine, and staggering around, maybe a prudent adult should hit the Panic Button. Intervening into the escalating altercation might have prevented a catfight or worse.” (post is here: http://www.schoolofvisualarts.edu/ce/blog/?p=1201, and offers a pretty thorough round up of events)

    Ultimately, in a public institution, the safety of visitors, performers, staff, etc. necessarily trumps artistic expression. It’s easy for Ann to now claim that she was just in character, that she had no intention of getting in a violent altercation, etc., but as soon as the fight between Georgia and Ann began, the safety of everyone around (including the performers themselves) has to be taken into consideration — and, at the time, it seemed pretty volatile to me.

    I also think that Morty’s excuse that PS1 should have known what they were getting into by allowing Ann to perform is not entirely fair. Being invited to perform, to share your work with an audience, is a privilege. There is an implicit agreement between the performer and the museum/gallery/whatever that they will mutually respect one another. When a museum gives a performer an audience, they’re placing trust in that performer to act responsibly — this goes beyond a matter of taste. Flinging around urine, stripping naked, insulting a fellow artist (perhaps the greatest breach of this trust of all…), and provoking a fight all show Young’s lack of respect for PS1, her audience, and, for that matter, the Brooklyn is Burning curators who invited her and presumably vouched for her.

    I also think it’s insulting for Young and some of her supporters to say that the only reason people react negatively to her work is because she’s an aggressive female. I think it’s safe to say that if a male performer had acted in the same way, the performance would have also been shut down. Moreover, had PS1 allowed a male performer to stand up and insult a female artist publicly (let alone provoke or engage in a confrontation with her) without comment, I’m sure there would have been an outcry. I wasn’t uncomfortable with and offended by Ann’s performance because there was a display of female aggression, but because there was a total lack of respect for everyone else in the room, Georgia especially.

    • Edward Z Rosenthal, Collingswood, NJ

      What a BLOW HARD! SO full of BS. Your uptight kinda thinking is destroying the world and everything worthwhile on it. “Mutually respect each other” now means no longer trying to test the bounds, the edges, the margins of culture? We are now all to conform to – to obey – the naturally perfect bounds of behavior that polite society has consciously agreed upon? I didn’t agree to these arbitrary, self deluding, tedious, boring limits. Did you? So why denigrate anyone else’s attempts to test the limits, even if it’s clumsily or disturbingly done? If you had felt nothing, experienced zero sensation, registered no response in the face of the two women’s antagonistic “performance”, that would be interesting, worth talking about. Numbness and ambivalence are curious conditions, but your tedious self righteous indignation is adorably, pathetically dull. Dry up.

  • onomato

    huh, when I was in school I was taught that artists were iconoclasts, often loners, and that bad behavior was the rule rather than the exception.

    But regardless, “There is an implicit agreement between the performer and the museum/gallery/whatever that they will mutually respect one another. ” is kind of the “frission” here n’est ce pas? Mais oui (I answer my own question).

    Institutional critique is so fucking boring in 2010, isn’t it?

    We have the internet now, man.

    So here is my genius, don’t steal it without attribution, even if you think it is just “in the air” or whatever. You need to respect the community, man.

    There are the literalists. I call them the pedants. They take art at face value as a spiritual pursuit. They think Anne Hamilton is poetic (I’m not attacking anne hamilton here, maybe later). They want to build communities of affinity groups. Often they are utopian, or on the opposite end, Randroidian. They can’t really take criticism. They don’t want criticism. They want love.

    There are the iconoclasts. Everything out of their mouths is facetious, they speak out of both sides of their mouths and will find a backdoor to any argument, sophists, in the modern sense, they can say “it is what it is” with a straight face and then go snort some coke. They take criticism with coke.

    There are the egotists. Everything is about them. They use institutional critique as a cudgel, and are angry when someone dishes it back at them. Their con is simply to grab attention while depending on the good manners of their audience to keep the “situation” going.

    There are the well behaved “art lovers” who make and digest art as if it was a communion wafer. They depend on th egood manners of their audience to present insipid solipsistic art as if it was gods gift, and think boredom is a virtue, as if Warhol’s sleep was just a clinical communication of time well spent.

    I’m sure there are overlaps, but I think that intelligent and experienced people avoid situations like this like the plague.

  • onomato

    huh, when I was in school I was taught that artists were iconoclasts, often loners, and that bad behavior was the rule rather than the exception.

    But regardless, “There is an implicit agreement between the performer and the museum/gallery/whatever that they will mutually respect one another. ” is kind of the “frission” here n’est ce pas? Mais oui (I answer my own question).

    Institutional critique is so fucking boring in 2010, isn’t it?

    We have the internet now, man.

    So here is my genius, don’t steal it without attribution, even if you think it is just “in the air” or whatever. You need to respect the community, man.

    There are the literalists. I call them the pedants. They take art at face value as a spiritual pursuit. They think Anne Hamilton is poetic (I’m not attacking anne hamilton here, maybe later). They want to build communities of affinity groups. Often they are utopian, or on the opposite end, Randroidian. They can’t really take criticism. They don’t want criticism. They want love.

    There are the iconoclasts. Everything out of their mouths is facetious, they speak out of both sides of their mouths and will find a backdoor to any argument, sophists, in the modern sense, they can say “it is what it is” with a straight face and then go snort some coke. They take criticism with coke.

    There are the egotists. Everything is about them. They use institutional critique as a cudgel, and are angry when someone dishes it back at them. Their con is simply to grab attention while depending on the good manners of their audience to keep the “situation” going.

    There are the well behaved “art lovers” who make and digest art as if it was a communion wafer. They depend on th egood manners of their audience to present insipid solipsistic art as if it was gods gift, and think boredom is a virtue, as if Warhol’s sleep was just a clinical communication of time well spent.

    I’m sure there are overlaps, but I think that intelligent and experienced people avoid situations like this like the plague.

  • onomato

    huh, when I was in school I was taught that artists were iconoclasts, often loners, and that bad behavior was the rule rather than the exception.

    But regardless, “There is an implicit agreement between the performer and the museum/gallery/whatever that they will mutually respect one another. ” is kind of the “frission” here n’est ce pas? Mais oui (I answer my own question).

    Institutional critique is so fucking boring in 2010, isn’t it?

    We have the internet now, man.

    So here is my genius, don’t steal it without attribution, even if you think it is just “in the air” or whatever. You need to respect the community, man.

    There are the literalists. I call them the pedants. They take art at face value as a spiritual pursuit. They think Anne Hamilton is poetic (I’m not attacking anne hamilton here, maybe later). They want to build communities of affinity groups. Often they are utopian, or on the opposite end, Randroidian. They can’t really take criticism. They don’t want criticism. They want love.

    There are the iconoclasts. Everything out of their mouths is facetious, they speak out of both sides of their mouths and will find a backdoor to any argument, sophists, in the modern sense, they can say “it is what it is” with a straight face and then go snort some coke. They take criticism with coke.

    There are the egotists. Everything is about them. They use institutional critique as a cudgel, and are angry when someone dishes it back at them. Their con is simply to grab attention while depending on the good manners of their audience to keep the “situation” going.

    There are the well behaved “art lovers” who make and digest art as if it was a communion wafer. They depend on th egood manners of their audience to present insipid solipsistic art as if it was gods gift, and think boredom is a virtue, as if Warhol’s sleep was just a clinical communication of time well spent.

    I’m sure there are overlaps, but I think that intelligent and experienced people avoid situations like this like the plague.

  • onomato

    huh, when I was in school I was taught that artists were iconoclasts, often loners, and that bad behavior was the rule rather than the exception.

    But regardless, “There is an implicit agreement between the performer and the museum/gallery/whatever that they will mutually respect one another. ” is kind of the “frission” here n’est ce pas? Mais oui (I answer my own question).

    Institutional critique is so fucking boring in 2010, isn’t it?

    We have the internet now, man.

    So here is my genius, don’t steal it without attribution, even if you think it is just “in the air” or whatever. You need to respect the community, man.

    There are the literalists. I call them the pedants. They take art at face value as a spiritual pursuit. They think Anne Hamilton is poetic (I’m not attacking anne hamilton here, maybe later). They want to build communities of affinity groups. Often they are utopian, or on the opposite end, Randroidian. They can’t really take criticism. They don’t want criticism. They want love.

    There are the iconoclasts. Everything out of their mouths is facetious, they speak out of both sides of their mouths and will find a backdoor to any argument, sophists, in the modern sense, they can say “it is what it is” with a straight face and then go snort some coke. They take criticism with coke.

    There are the egotists. Everything is about them. They use institutional critique as a cudgel, and are angry when someone dishes it back at them. Their con is simply to grab attention while depending on the good manners of their audience to keep the “situation” going.

    There are the well behaved “art lovers” who make and digest art as if it was a communion wafer. They depend on th egood manners of their audience to present insipid solipsistic art as if it was gods gift, and think boredom is a virtue, as if Warhol’s sleep was just a clinical communication of time well spent.

    I’m sure there are overlaps, but I think that intelligent and experienced people avoid situations like this like the plague.

  • onomato

    also: urine is sterile, FYI

  • onomato

    also: urine is sterile, FYI

  • onomato

    also: urine is sterile, FYI

  • onomato

    also: urine is sterile, FYI

  • kathryn garcia

    thank you georgia for speaking out.

    and thank you “a.” for posting a really honest response directly above mine. probably the best response i’ve heard so far throughout all of this, and i am in total agreement with you.

  • kathryn garcia

    thank you georgia for speaking out.

    and thank you “a.” for posting a really honest response directly above mine. probably the best response i’ve heard so far throughout all of this, and i am in total agreement with you.

  • kathryn garcia

    thank you georgia for speaking out.

    and thank you “a.” for posting a really honest response directly above mine. probably the best response i’ve heard so far throughout all of this, and i am in total agreement with you.

  • kathryn garcia

    thank you georgia for speaking out.

    and thank you “a.” for posting a really honest response directly above mine. probably the best response i’ve heard so far throughout all of this, and i am in total agreement with you.

  • kathryn garcia

    thank you georgia for speaking out.

    and thank you “a.” for posting a really honest response directly above mine. probably the best response i’ve heard so far throughout all of this, and i am in total agreement with you.

  • C

    I think that I have heard some interesting arguments about censorship, performance and art, but this is not just an issue of ideas. Sometimes we have to break out of our conceptual, art- school brains for a moment and use empathy. Reactions and feelings are not conceptual. We are not talking about characters here, we are talking about people. The most compelling things I have read from the human perspective are the above from Kathryn, A, and Georgia.

  • C

    I think that I have heard some interesting arguments about censorship, performance and art, but this is not just an issue of ideas. Sometimes we have to break out of our conceptual, art- school brains for a moment and use empathy. Reactions and feelings are not conceptual. We are not talking about characters here, we are talking about people. The most compelling things I have read from the human perspective are the above from Kathryn, A, and Georgia.

  • C

    I think that I have heard some interesting arguments about censorship, performance and art, but this is not just an issue of ideas. Sometimes we have to break out of our conceptual, art- school brains for a moment and use empathy. Reactions and feelings are not conceptual. We are not talking about characters here, we are talking about people. The most compelling things I have read from the human perspective are the above from Kathryn, A, and Georgia.

  • C

    I think that I have heard some interesting arguments about censorship, performance and art, but this is not just an issue of ideas. Sometimes we have to break out of our conceptual, art- school brains for a moment and use empathy. Reactions and feelings are not conceptual. We are not talking about characters here, we are talking about people. The most compelling things I have read from the human perspective are the above from Kathryn, A, and Georgia.

  • C

    I think that I have heard some interesting arguments about censorship, performance and art, but this is not just an issue of ideas. Sometimes we have to break out of our conceptual, art- school brains for a moment and use empathy. Reactions and feelings are not conceptual. We are not talking about characters here, we are talking about people. The most compelling things I have read from the human perspective are the above from Kathryn, A, and Georgia.

  • kathryn garcia

    Thank you, C. Well put.

  • kathryn garcia

    Thank you, C. Well put.

  • kathryn garcia

    Thank you, C. Well put.

  • kathryn garcia

    Thank you, C. Well put.

  • kathryn garcia

    Thank you, C. Well put.

  • marina fokidis

    @Georgia, yes you are right I was not there, I just said my opinion over the events as described in multiple blogs.
    And heard for the performances from people being there.
    Just for the record , Miltos Manetas, if you remember was not saying Miltos manetas was not there but he was pretending to be his assistant and he was announcing that Miltos Manetas was not there ( in the room I mean) and that he has an important announcement to make….and the rest are familiar.
    I am sorry you have been harassed , sorry for anyone that is being harassed. I have nothing to say to this situation,
    Just some time, all of us , have to think of the public who is being sometimes harassed by experiencing -sometimes- unstoppably identical gestures!
    And maybe this was not the case for both these performances.

  • marina fokidis

    @Georgia, yes you are right I was not there, I just said my opinion over the events as described in multiple blogs.
    And heard for the performances from people being there.
    Just for the record , Miltos Manetas, if you remember was not saying Miltos manetas was not there but he was pretending to be his assistant and he was announcing that Miltos Manetas was not there ( in the room I mean) and that he has an important announcement to make….and the rest are familiar.
    I am sorry you have been harassed , sorry for anyone that is being harassed. I have nothing to say to this situation,
    Just some time, all of us , have to think of the public who is being sometimes harassed by experiencing -sometimes- unstoppably identical gestures!
    And maybe this was not the case for both these performances.

  • marina fokidis

    @Georgia, yes you are right I was not there, I just said my opinion over the events as described in multiple blogs.
    And heard for the performances from people being there.
    Just for the record , Miltos Manetas, if you remember was not saying Miltos manetas was not there but he was pretending to be his assistant and he was announcing that Miltos Manetas was not there ( in the room I mean) and that he has an important announcement to make….and the rest are familiar.
    I am sorry you have been harassed , sorry for anyone that is being harassed. I have nothing to say to this situation,
    Just some time, all of us , have to think of the public who is being sometimes harassed by experiencing -sometimes- unstoppably identical gestures!
    And maybe this was not the case for both these performances.

  • marina fokidis

    @Georgia, yes you are right I was not there, I just said my opinion over the events as described in multiple blogs.
    And heard for the performances from people being there.
    Just for the record , Miltos Manetas, if you remember was not saying Miltos manetas was not there but he was pretending to be his assistant and he was announcing that Miltos Manetas was not there ( in the room I mean) and that he has an important announcement to make….and the rest are familiar.
    I am sorry you have been harassed , sorry for anyone that is being harassed. I have nothing to say to this situation,
    Just some time, all of us , have to think of the public who is being sometimes harassed by experiencing -sometimes- unstoppably identical gestures!
    And maybe this was not the case for both these performances.

  • onomato

    Who are you people? Last I checked performaces are on stages. If you have trouble sseing the boundary, that;s good thats art. We need more street theater and less well heeled sacred circle bullshit.

  • onomato

    Who are you people? Last I checked performaces are on stages. If you have trouble sseing the boundary, that;s good thats art. We need more street theater and less well heeled sacred circle bullshit.

  • onomato

    Who are you people? Last I checked performaces are on stages. If you have trouble sseing the boundary, that;s good thats art. We need more street theater and less well heeled sacred circle bullshit.

  • alex morrison

    @ Art Fag City
    I arrived in 1997 and only heard about the notorious performance. EVD, CB, GI and SE were up to some crazy stuff in those days…

  • alex morrison

    @ Art Fag City
    I arrived in 1997 and only heard about the notorious performance. EVD, CB, GI and SE were up to some crazy stuff in those days…

  • Broken Glass

    PS1 did post a notice by the doors that the show was not appropriate for children. But is this really necessary? Do you ask museums to do this for paintings and sculpture? But this is a digression.

    The safety issue is a red herring. If safety were the real issue why was there no announcement of any kind from PS1 AT THE TIME THEY CUT THE POWER?

    Even if Young was being provocative toward Georgia, why does Georgia even care? Her performance was over, and she knows how well or how badly it went. Did she not recognize Young’s gambit? Georgia played right into it. Her anger and aggression did not really look good, or serve her well. She was the one who got violent. Young was contained in her physical presence, and never violated Georgia’s space, even if she planted herself in front of Georgia & company while masturbating.

    The abuse of power that occurred was PS1’s, not Young’s. Georgia should think about that.

    (And I liked Georgia’s performance!)

  • Broken Glass

    PS1 did post a notice by the doors that the show was not appropriate for children. But is this really necessary? Do you ask museums to do this for paintings and sculpture? But this is a digression.

    The safety issue is a red herring. If safety were the real issue why was there no announcement of any kind from PS1 AT THE TIME THEY CUT THE POWER?

    Even if Young was being provocative toward Georgia, why does Georgia even care? Her performance was over, and she knows how well or how badly it went. Did she not recognize Young’s gambit? Georgia played right into it. Her anger and aggression did not really look good, or serve her well. She was the one who got violent. Young was contained in her physical presence, and never violated Georgia’s space, even if she planted herself in front of Georgia & company while masturbating.

    The abuse of power that occurred was PS1’s, not Young’s. Georgia should think about that.

    (And I liked Georgia’s performance!)

  • PeeWee Nyob

    Oh excuse me , did i stumble into the “Tea” Party Convention??

  • PeeWee Nyob

    Oh excuse me , did i stumble into the “Tea” Party Convention??

  • PeeWee Nyob

    Oh excuse me , did i stumble into the “Tea” Party Convention??

  • PeeWee Nyob

    Oh excuse me , did i stumble into the “Tea” Party Convention??

  • Andrew

    Ann Liv is one of the best choreographers/ performers working.

  • Andrew

    Ann Liv is one of the best choreographers/ performers working.

  • Andrew

    Ann Liv is one of the best choreographers/ performers working.

  • Andrew

    Ann Liv is one of the best choreographers/ performers working.

  • http://www.youtube.com/rayroy3 Ray Roy

    I think any intelligent person would understand what they are seeing is in the context of a performance is not “real”. Also, I went to a ska show with my younger brother, and my brother’s friend, Nate, was yelling at the band “you suck”. Even though that band had plenty of other people happy to be there, skanking to the music, the lead singer broke down into a hysteria, screaming back at Nate “WE DONT SUCK, WE DONT SUCK”. It was a horrible train wreck of an ordeal, and the lead singer of the shitty ska band had only made the situation much worse for himself.

  • http://www.youtube.com/rayroy3 Ray Roy

    I think any intelligent person would understand what they are seeing is in the context of a performance is not “real”. Also, I went to a ska show with my younger brother, and my brother’s friend, Nate, was yelling at the band “you suck”. Even though that band had plenty of other people happy to be there, skanking to the music, the lead singer broke down into a hysteria, screaming back at Nate “WE DONT SUCK, WE DONT SUCK”. It was a horrible train wreck of an ordeal, and the lead singer of the shitty ska band had only made the situation much worse for himself.

  • http://www.youtube.com/rayroy3 Ray Roy

    I think any intelligent person would understand what they are seeing is in the context of a performance is not “real”. Also, I went to a ska show with my younger brother, and my brother’s friend, Nate, was yelling at the band “you suck”. Even though that band had plenty of other people happy to be there, skanking to the music, the lead singer broke down into a hysteria, screaming back at Nate “WE DONT SUCK, WE DONT SUCK”. It was a horrible train wreck of an ordeal, and the lead singer of the shitty ska band had only made the situation much worse for himself.

  • Proud Vagina

    I think Klaus is a brilliant director and this whole thing, its extended performance via blogs, video, etc. is an amazing project. Bravo to all involved!

  • Proud Vagina

    I think Klaus is a brilliant director and this whole thing, its extended performance via blogs, video, etc. is an amazing project. Bravo to all involved!

  • Proud Vagina

    I think Klaus is a brilliant director and this whole thing, its extended performance via blogs, video, etc. is an amazing project. Bravo to all involved!

  • Proud Vagina

    I think Klaus is a brilliant director and this whole thing, its extended performance via blogs, video, etc. is an amazing project. Bravo to all involved!

  • Proud Vagina

    I think Klaus is a brilliant director and this whole thing, its extended performance via blogs, video, etc. is an amazing project. Bravo to all involved!

  • jazmin
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  • leah

    At a piece at ps1 22 “Why wont you let me be great” young shoved raw pork up herself in

    front of KANYE WEST

    ( the piece was a collection of performers – each having a song from kanyes album to “dance” or perform to… )
    he came, and she told him “that was what this song made me want to do”

    if anyone has ever seen ann liv young perform then this wouldn’t sound like any sort of shocker..

    I’ve seen her pee, shove chocolate up her vag and then eat it.. last time i went to see her she tried to kick me out of the room because i wouldnt hold a toy she smeared her period blood all over

    her work is extremely abrasive but it raises the question of limitation within all of us our

  • leah

    At a piece at ps1 22 “Why wont you let me be great” young shoved raw pork up herself in

    front of KANYE WEST

    ( the piece was a collection of performers – each having a song from kanyes album to “dance” or perform to… )
    he came, and she told him “that was what this song made me want to do”

    if anyone has ever seen ann liv young perform then this wouldn’t sound like any sort of shocker..

    I’ve seen her pee, shove chocolate up her vag and then eat it.. last time i went to see her she tried to kick me out of the room because i wouldnt hold a toy she smeared her period blood all over

    her work is extremely abrasive but it raises the question of limitation within all of us our

  • leah

    At a piece at ps1 22 “Why wont you let me be great” young shoved raw pork up herself in

    front of KANYE WEST

    ( the piece was a collection of performers – each having a song from kanyes album to “dance” or perform to… )
    he came, and she told him “that was what this song made me want to do”

    if anyone has ever seen ann liv young perform then this wouldn’t sound like any sort of shocker..

    I’ve seen her pee, shove chocolate up her vag and then eat it.. last time i went to see her she tried to kick me out of the room because i wouldnt hold a toy she smeared her period blood all over

    her work is extremely abrasive but it raises the question of limitation within all of us our

  • leah

    At a piece at ps1 22 “Why wont you let me be great” young shoved raw pork up herself in

    front of KANYE WEST

    ( the piece was a collection of performers – each having a song from kanyes album to “dance” or perform to… )
    he came, and she told him “that was what this song made me want to do”

    if anyone has ever seen ann liv young perform then this wouldn’t sound like any sort of shocker..

    I’ve seen her pee, shove chocolate up her vag and then eat it.. last time i went to see her she tried to kick me out of the room because i wouldnt hold a toy she smeared her period blood all over

    her work is extremely abrasive but it raises the question of limitation within all of us our

  • Claudia

    No one would have noticed if she hadn’t pee’d in a pan. Ahhh – guerilla marketing for performance art at PS1.

  • Claudia

    No one would have noticed if she hadn’t pee’d in a pan. Ahhh – guerilla marketing for performance art at PS1.

  • Claudia

    No one would have noticed if she hadn’t pee’d in a pan. Ahhh – guerilla marketing for performance art at PS1.

  • http://artandthinking@blogspot.com Claudia

    No one would have noticed if she hadn’t pee’d in a pan. Ahhh – guerilla marketing for performance art at PS1.

  • http://justinmorrison.net Justin

    The full video of the PS 1 performance is now on the Ann Liv Young Dance Company facebook page.

  • http://justinmorrison.net Justin

    The full video of the PS 1 performance is now on the Ann Liv Young Dance Company facebook page.

  • http://justinmorrison.net Justin

    The full video of the PS 1 performance is now on the Ann Liv Young Dance Company facebook page.

  • http://justinmorrison.net Justin

    The full video of the PS 1 performance is now on the Ann Liv Young Dance Company facebook page.

  • Noir

    Perhaps they should bring a generator and flood lights as a part of their performance next time.

  • Noir

    Perhaps they should bring a generator and flood lights as a part of their performance next time.

  • Noir

    Perhaps they should bring a generator and flood lights as a part of their performance next time.

  • Noir

    Perhaps they should bring a generator and flood lights as a part of their performance next time.

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